Fandom Unpacked

How Feld Entertainment Keeps Audiences Coming Back, Generation After Generation

• Situation • Season 1 • Episode 16

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What does it take to create extraordinary family entertainment that spans generations? Jim Moseley, VP of Event Marketing and Sales, Northeast, for Feld Entertainment, pulls back the curtain on how iconic brands like Disney on Ice, Monster Jam, and Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey continue captivating millions of fans yearly.

The numbers alone are staggering—10 million people attend Feld shows annually in North America, with up to 400,000 fans filling venues every weekend. But the true magic lies in how these experiences continuously evolve while honoring their beloved traditions. Moseley reveals the company's unique approach to cross-pollination between brands: "How can Ringling make ice shows better? Or how can ice shows make Ringling better?" This creative ecosystem has led to Disney on Ice incorporating more stunts and aerial acts inspired by Ringling's DNA, while allowing constant reinvention that keeps fans coming back.

Today's entertainment landscape demands more than just a show. Modern fans seek immersive experiences, digital engagement, and personalized connections. Feld has responded by transforming from event producer to franchise powerhouse, expanding beyond arenas into retail, digital media, licensing, and theme park experiences. Rather than competing with screens, they've embraced digital platforms to build community and showcase why nothing compares to the live experience. "We're not out here saving lives," Moseley notes, "but our goal is to create extraordinary moments for families that will create memories for a lifetime."

Ready to experience the magic yourself? Discover upcoming Feld Entertainment shows in your area and create your own unforgettable family memories that will last for generations.

Recorded Wednesday, September 10th, 2025
Hosts: Damian Bazadona, CEO & Founder, Situation & Maureen Andersen, President & CEO, INTIX
Guest: Jim Moseley, VP of Event Marketing & Sales, Northeast, Feld Entertainment
Producer: Peter Yagecic, Innovation Advisor, Situation

Peter Yagecic:

You're listening to Fandom Unpacked from Situation and Intix, the podcast series where we unpack modern fandom with some of the brightest minds in sports and entertainment. I'm producer Peter Yagisic, and joining me for today's Q&A are Situation's CEO and founder, Damian Mazzadana, and president and CEO of Intix, Maureen Anderson. Our guest today is Jim Mosley, VP of Event Marketing and Sales for the Northeast region at Feld Entertainment. Here's Damian to get us started.

Damian Bazadona:

Yeah, so hey, jim, thanks for doing this. Jim is not only one of the kindest people in the business, he's also one of the smartest people in the business and he works for the incredible Feld Entertainment which is many folks are very envious of the success and the growth and the quality over the years. So I'm obviously a huge fan of the Feld Entertainment group and the work you guys do. Just to start, just out of context, around the world, how many people see a Feld production, I don't know in a given year? Just ballpark, Just ballpark.

Jim Moseley:

So I don't have the number for around the world, but what I can tell you in North America right, which is where I do my business. I can tell you that over 10 million people saw a Feld event last year. Wow, 10 million just in North America. And so we don't play every week and we don't play every day of the week, but, if you know, give or take on a on a weekend that we are, we've got multiple tours around the country and Canada and that is going to equate to somewhere between 300 and 400,000 people a weekend that are seeing the Feld event.

Damian Bazadona:

It's incredible, but let's get into it. So you've been at the helm of some of the biggest family entertainment brands in the world and so my family I mean, I've grown, my children have been brought up going to Feld experiences. You know what's the secret sauce you guys carry to keeping the live experiences. You guys do Disney on Ice, on ice monster jam feeling fresh year after year without it getting stale, because I feel like I go back and it feels fresh to me. You could feel the difference and I can't actually put my finger on what it is and I know a lot of your competitive landscape. Sometimes I've been back to some of those and they feel stale right in other markets. But you guys have something that you consistently do in reinventing yourself right in other markets. But you guys have something that you consistently do in reinventing yourself to get every generation, generations keep showing up like how do you think about that?

Jim Moseley:

so I I really think the one constant about feld is that all of our productions are oriented to families, but our productions are continuously changing and evolving. So when we're thinking about a new production, we push ourselves to think about our entire portfolio. For instance, how can Ringling make ice shows better? Or how can ice shows make Ringling better? Today, disney on Ice has more stunts and aerial acts than ever, and we got that by really thinking about the creative DNA of Ringling. But then, on the flip side, our experience with ice allowed us to produce a Ringling production that included an ice floor. So when we think about that secret sauce, damien, I think we're really thinking about our creative ecosystem and how can we cross-pollinate between the brands? And, by the way, damien, in case you're wondering, no, you're never going to see an ice floor at a Monster Jam, but I do want to make one more point.

Jim Moseley:

Damien, in case you're wondering no, you're never going to see an ice floor at a Monster Jam. But I do want to make one more point. We try to be incredibly respectful of the traditions that built these brands, whether it's the iconic trucks of Monster Jam and the classic stories of Disney, but we're never afraid to push boundaries. We can combine that tradition and that familiarity with innovations that can still for lack of a better phrase surprise and delight.

Damian Bazadona:

I find the idea of reinvesting in innovation in theory sounds amazing. In practice, most don't do it. So I have high respect that you guys consistently do it over and over again, because I know it's expensive and it's it. That's that's, I think, the difference between good brands and the ones that don't last. Yeah, so you, you typically work with pretty familiar IP. Often many of it has like kind of built in I'll call it like fandoms built in and legacy and history. How do you balance servicing the fans that are kind of in that fandom with those that might be totally new to the brand? And we see this a lot of people in this webinar and in our past fandom and pack series. This is a common one, right? You want to stay true to your core, what people grab, that people gravitate towards, but at the same time be open and letting other people into that space. I know it's not easy. How do you think about that?

Jim Moseley:

yeah, thanks, finding that balance is. It's not easy. How do you think about that? Yeah, thanks, finding that balance. It's a fundamental challenge, but it's also a creative opportunity. We try to find ways to honor our core fans while also extending our hand to the next generation. And it is not always easy, but we are always thinking about how to give both that core fan and new fan a reason to come back, give both that core fan and new fan a reason to come back. But I also think it's important to point out that we've always emphasized, for instance, that Ringling is for all ages, and it truly is.

Jim Moseley:

Monster Jam may start with a toy truck in a kid's hand, but that fandom can very well extend all the way through adulthood. Disney on Ice may capture you at a younger age, before you age out, but you're back in the cycle again when you have your own kids, and so there is in some cases, a potential for creating a lifelong fan and other cycles. But regardless, we're in a constant active state of finding new fans. And one last point on how we try to expand to new audiences.

Jim Moseley:

Feld spends an inordinate amount of time trying to understand who our consumers are. We're obsessed with it what products they look like or what products they like the social media platforms they use. What motivates them to engage with our brands to begin with, and then we use those insights to try and find new fans. But I will say there's a bit of a dance that we do. You can't put everyone in the same bucket and engage with them in the same way, and while you may be marketing the same creative over and over, you do try to talk to fans in different ways, using different touch points.

Damian Bazadona:

Gotcha.

Maureen Andersen:

Maureen To that point is let's look at fandom today, in 2025. And you know the world and everything around us and technology has changed pretty profoundly in the last 10 years. So what feels different from 10 years ago, Because you have such longevity, and what are some of the forces that drive audiences to show up now? So, for example, is you have felt experiences? How does that infuse to the ticketing? And let's bring this back to ticketing because we're in tics the ticketing experience itself from then to now and kind of what we are looking at now.

Jim Moseley:

Yeah, I mean to your point about felt experiences. We're continuously learning how to give our fans what they want. A decade ago, the value proposition for the most part was very simple right, you bought a ticket to the show. But today feels very different and fans want more immersive experiences. Some want to walk the track before a Supercross race, Some want to meet Monster Jam drivers, Some want the experience of spending a moment with a Disney character. Most of these didn't exist a decade ago and it's been a thrill to see this growth point, in particular, for Feld. We even have a I'll do a little plug here we even have a dedicated website, feltexperiencescom, for some of these upsells.

Jim Moseley:

But, Maureen, in terms of what feels different than 10 years ago, I would say it's the social platforms. We're all on. Tiktok and YouTube Shorts really took off during the pandemic and they haven't looked back. Youtube surpassed TV viewership for the first time ever this past spring, and then 10 years ago, YouTube Kids barely even existed. So I think today consumers, at least in their eyes, are busier than ever and the competition has never been greater. We're not just competing with other live events, but actual streaming platforms as well, but I'll say this platforms as well. But I'll say this if we can harness those platforms correctly, crafting content that entertains and helps us grow our brand affinity, then we know we're moving in the right direction. But if we can take that just one step further and use it to provide a compelling case that seeing one of our live shows is even better than on a device, then we've just opened a world of opportunity.

Maureen Andersen:

So what I'm hearing is that's really meeting the fans where they are, and that the evolution has evolved. It lets you have all these different avenues that are open to new ways of doing things that are digital, in market, in arena, in the building, pre and post. And how's that evolution of ticketing and meeting the fan where they are shaped, your approach to customer experience overall?

Jim Moseley:

Yeah, I love the question. Let me try to tackle the meeting fans where they are first, and then I'll talk a little bit about the evolution of ticketing and how it's changed us. I mean, really, I think meeting fans where they are is about moving away from that one bucket concept I mentioned a moment ago. We have to be able to approach fans in a highly personalized way. So how do we do that? Just use social media platforms for advertising. We have an in-house team whose primary focus is on building community around our brands through those platforms, right? So the type of content that we develop aims to engage fans enough that we're not only establishing a relationship with our fans at the show, but also before and after. And then, as far as meeting fans in market, here's a really crazy trivia piece here Feld rarely does national scale marketing campaigns. Instead, last year we ran over 350 localized marketing campaigns in North America alone. And then finally, in Arena, I would say, utilizing, obviously, some of the digital technology and video boards allows us to have fun and interact with the audience. But it feels appropriate, I think, here to really give a shout out to our venue partners and the communities they've managed to build around their arenas and stadiums. There's already a fandom base there and they're essentially allowing us to ride on their coattails. Yeah, of course a diehard Eagles fan is going to want to go see Monster Jam at their team's stadium.

Jim Moseley:

Now I also wanted to address your second question about ticketing quickly, and I'll just make two quick points on that. The first is that platforms now give us the ability to have multiple price points and we use them probably in ways that few other promoters do, and we take great pride in that. We're able to meet the fan where they are by having price points for every family. About having price points for every family and the fact that we can dynamically price our tickets based on market trends is also just an absolute game changer as a promoter. The second point I'll make is that the evolution of ticketing has fundamentally changed our relationship with our fans. That's no surprise. It's no longer just a single transaction. When someone buys a ticket to our show, it's the beginning of a relationship with that fan, and this first-party data impacts not only how we market our shows, but so much more. It's what upsells do we offer, what merchandise are we selling and even the content that goes into our shows.

Maureen Andersen:

So we have a question from a long-term Intix member. She would like to know, Jim, what is the most successful, your most successful touchpoint to promote ticket sales.

Jim Moseley:

Ooh, most successful touchpoint. I mean, listen, when social media really began to surface in the 2010s, it was an absolute game changer for us. Now, obviously, over the years, algorithms and new rules and regulations have changed in terms of how we target our customers. But overall, I don't think it's going to be a surprise that over 60% of our marketing spend is now online and we are still, you know, obviously using traditional to try and get multi-generational you know the message out to multiple generations, but I think I would probably say that has been the most important touch point for us, at least over the last decade.

Peter Yagecic:

I'd love to sneak in one more audience question and then kick it back to Damian. Jim, you mentioned that family is important to everything that Feld does, so this question is related to that. I imagine you have grandparents and great-grandparents who are looking to introduce younger members of their families to the great experiences they had as kids. Does nostalgia play a significant role in fostering that multi-generational experience, in meeting people where they are?

Jim Moseley:

Yeah, I mean listen, you talk about the emotions and yes, I mean parents who are taking their kids to our events today probably saw events when they were kids our events more specifically. So there's a sense of emotion that definitely surfaces and we want the parents to feel a sense of nostalgia for what they remember when they saw our show as kids and how they felt, but we want them to leave the show today that they're seeing with their own kids feeling like they both just saw something completely new that none of them will ever forget.

Maureen Andersen:

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Damian Bazadona:

So you oversee the Northeast okay, so it's one of the most competitive markets. We work a lot on the Northeast. It stresses me the hell out. We work on these major live experiences. We sell millions of tickets for our clients, which is amazing, but it's stressful. There's just so much activity. How do you like when you think about the Northeast, how do you think? How is it unique? I'm glad I'm in good company.

Jim Moseley:

What's that I said? I'm glad I'm in good company here.

Damian Bazadona:

Yeah, it's, you know, it's like so much opportunity, I'm like, yeah, and so much competition. How do you think about? How do you think?

Jim Moseley:

no-transcript. It can be very challenging to break through with your own message, and if it sounds like I'm crying on your shoulders, I am, but look. What I can say is that there are great opportunities in the Northeast as well, so long as we can find a way to get our message through. I think being in a densely populated region can also be a very good thing, and tactics that we depend on, like word of mouth, also tend to work much better and faster in densely populated areas. And, by the way, I do want to give a hat tip, a have to, to my team, of course, of extraordinarily talented promoters who are so methodical and almost scientific in their approach to promoting their engagements. But you absolutely need that methodical approach if you're going to survive in this region, there's no question.

Damian Bazadona:

So for parents, failed shows are often a child's first ever live event. I think one of my favorite things about working in the live event industry is whether it's in sports, theater, attractions, whatever that might be a Feld show you go and you watch the relationship between the parent-child, the grandparent, whatever that relationship is. It is extraordinarily powerful to give a little bit of purpose to why you do what you do as a career, to see the power and impact it had in someone's life. You see it. Go to Monster, I see it at Monster when I go to Monster Jam. You see that and the father-son dynamic, all these different dynamics that are playing out. It's really powerful and you do every night, every day in the Feld universe. That's responsibility of that and the opportunity, as it relates to you guys as a business, of being that entry point into fandom. Like, how does that play into the way that you guys think about your business?

Jim Moseley:

Yeah, I mean honestly, damien, this one really sort of gets to my heart.

Jim Moseley:

I'll say it this way we're not out here saving lives and we don't come to work every day telling ourselves that, but we recognize what we provide. Families is important and our goal is to create extraordinary moments for families that will create memories for a lifetime. And I'll just say, just to make it a little bit more personal, as a father myself, I can't tell you how much it meant to me when my daughter saw Mickey Mouse on one of our ice shows for the very first time. I will never forget that look in her eyes. And I'll also add you know, for the past few years we've developed a close relationship with Make-A-Wish Foundation, providing families with tickets to Disney on Ice, and some of the letters we receive from parents are just, they're just tearjerkers. These families are going through unimaginable pain and heartbreak, but for two hours we've created this space for them to escape and for those parents to find that look in their child's eyes. So yes, to use your words, we take that responsibility very seriously your words.

Maureen Andersen:

We take that responsibility very seriously. Yeah, so fans expect an awful lot these days, and more than just the event they may want to be engaged. They want to you, to reach out, they want to be, create loyalty and they want touch points that are like before, during, after. They want to hear from you, be involved with you. What is one thing that Feld is doing to extend that fandom beyond the arena and secondary to that is you told a great story yesterday about the little boy and trucks.

Jim Moseley:

Yeah. So I'll just carry on with Monster Jam and use that as an example. Then, maureen, recently Feld stopped seeing it as just an event but as a franchise. The show is obviously a very, very crucial part of that wheelhouse. But for Monster Jam to become a truly global multimedia franchise, we're thinking about not just the live events, but we're also thinking about retail presence and digital media's landscape, the broadcast and streaming, the theme park experiences and even our licensors, which, I'll say, just seven years ago we only had 14 licensors, Today we have 61. It's a wheelhouse that lives and breathes every day. And, maureen, yes, the market research tells us that the purchase of a toy truck in the US is the number two reason families attend a Monster Jam event. So we know we have a responsibility to build those touch points, not just during our events but before and after.

Maureen Andersen:

That creates lifelong fans. I mean, you know a QR code on the bottom of that truck for a ticket offer.

Jim Moseley:

Sorry, yeah, well, I love the idea, I love the enthusiasm. I'm going to write that one down, All right. And you know, one last thing that I'll add is I gave Monster Jam is just an example, but we're replicating this approach across our other brands. There are so many exciting things we're doing with our Ringling brand that we'll be launching over the next several months that I'm just, I am so excited about our colleagues are excited about, so you'll be seeing more of that excited about, so you'll you'll be seeing more of that.

Jim Moseley:

Um, you know Ringling is is, you know, for lack of a better phrase, we're in. You know, of course, it's a, it's a household name, it's a tradition that has has lived, uh, in in America, folklore for, for you know, hundreds of years, or over a hundred years, a hundred and almost 150. Um, and you know, we really want to. You know, of course, we're reimagining it, but we're also seeing it as a startup, because we did take it out and then we needed to reimagine it, and so, as we're thinking about that reimagination, we're trying to figure out how do we use the same model that we have with Monster Jam as a wheelhouse, as I called it earlier, and really create this as a franchise.

Peter Yagecic:

I'd love to sneak in a couple more audience questions. We've got some great ones coming in this first one, I'm going to tweak it slightly because I don't want to put you on the spot, but I think the spirit of the question is because you want to create a relationship with the fans who are coming to see one of your performances. How are you thinking about flexibility? I think there was a lot of things that changed. You know post-pandemic in terms of flexibility around you are thinking about when you want to keep that relationship front and center. That have been part of the conversations that you guys have been having.

Jim Moseley:

So you mean like the journey from door to door?

Peter Yagecic:

uh, life happens for people and and the how do you keep that relationship strong If they have something that changes, that's up beyond their control? Is is there? Is that part of the conversation that you guys are having?

Jim Moseley:

And I think you know again, I think it goes back to trying to engage on a daily basis in ways that you know again, a doing this the right way, then we're providing a compelling case that being at our events is better than seeing it on a device. You just you cannot trade in the you know the energy of a you know house full of fans and so I think Um, and so I think uh, it, you know it's definitely through our content. I hope I did a good job and didn't slaughter that answer.

Peter Yagecic:

Oh, absolutely. And I want to bring in this next question which kind of speaks to that scientific data-led point that you were just making. You know, with all in pricing, With all in pricing, have your scientists seen any sales pattern changes since those new ways of looking at things have gone into effect? Anything that sticks out from you, from what you guys are seeing?

Jim Moseley:

Yeah, that's a great question and, man, I got to tell you it's so timely, obviously because the new FTC rules just came out in May and it was a fire drill and we had some really big concerns that it was going to have an impact and we were very sensitive to the way our ticketing partners were going to educate the consumer.

Jim Moseley:

We've tried to do a little educating on our own, uh, because for those, for those of us in the industry, of course we knew these were coming down the pike with but, but the typical consumer had had no idea and so, yes, there was definitely some, some fear and trepidation in the beginning. Um, this has been, um, you know, felt has had a, had a great year, but it probably wasn't. It has not been as great as last year and we believe that most of that has to do with the economy, but probably less to do with the all-in. Ticketmaster, based on their research, believes that the all-in pricing is not having much of an impact and I hope they're right. But we'll know I would be better equipped to answer that probably a year from now, peter.

Peter Yagecic:

Well, we're going to have you back. I promise you that I'm going to sneak in one more audience question and then kick it back to Damien, uh, since we're getting kind of close to time. But, uh, you know, damien alluded at the beginning that innovation is hard uh, and that that not a lot of people tackle it because logistically it can be very tricky. Uh, I'm curious is there anything, uh, in terms of emerging technologies that you're particularly excited about right now, uh, and do you think that there's any way that something you're you're looking at could play a role in ensuring that that attention span, which is evaporating for all audiences, uh is, is held onto uh, fellow properties?

Jim Moseley:

uh like technology in our uh productions anywhere, but yeah, sure, wherever you want to go with it, I mean. So I'll just get back to the fact that we, you know, at least in arena, we try to interact and use the technology that's in the arena to interact with our fans and guests. I feel like we do a really, really good job of utilizing that. But yes, I mean, we, you know, a couple of years ago we had a Jurassic Park production with our relationship with NBC Universal, and it was incredible these dinosaurs and the technology that had been created and that evolved as that tour went on and something that we were immensely proud of and something that we were immensely proud of. And we are also.

Jim Moseley:

If you attend one of our shows, you're going to see how different it was, even five years ago, but certainly 10 in terms of how much we're utilizing technology, and that includes in Ringling, which feels so fresh and new. Obviously, we do not have animals in our shows anymore, so we have to figure out other creative ways to grab the attention of our fans and guests. You should consider I'll do a little plug here you should consider going, because you you will see quite a bit of difference in in technology, we even have a little dog robot named bailey. Uh so uh, which is a lot of fun. That's incredible.

Peter Yagecic:

I I do want to see that and I love the example from jurassic park of using new technology to animate dinosaurs. That's just. That's so great, damien. Uh, you want to take our last question?

Damian Bazadona:

yeah, sure um, I think, uh, working in like live entertainment, I could just I'll speak for myself and just say I feel like there's kind of mixed signals in the market and, on one hand, it seems like the ceiling for what people will be willing to spend to do the things that they love with their family seems to just keep being broken, like people will spend outrageous amounts of money to do the things to hit the passion plug in their life Remarkable.

Damian Bazadona:

At the same time, there's a competing signal that says there's never been a better time to stay on your couch. There's technology, there's friction, there's all these different things. So there's like these mix of signals as we go forward and I think if you were to zoom out, I would just love your perspective Like, what do you see as the biggest challenge or the biggest opportunity? Pick other side. Are you a glass half full, glass half empty? Everyone approach, but somewhere Do you see ahead of, like, the future of fandom and live family entertainment, which I know we have a lot of listeners on this that are in that lane right now. What are you looking at or thinking about? Opportunities or threats?

Jim Moseley:

I feel like I could probably spend an hour on this question alone, but instead I'm going to make it just sweet and simple. I think it's important for us to regularly remind ourselves that our audience isn't static. We can't rely on the same fan showing up the same way year after year, and so we have to think about our approach to everything Our productions, our creative, our marketing campaigns, our merchandise and retail presence. We have to think of all of that every day to make sure it's all aligning with a world that is just always quickly changing.

Damian Bazadona:

Well said.

Peter Yagecic:

You know, I know we said we would end it there, but maybe could we slip in one more audience question. Do we have time for that? So, Jim, are there any audience strategies that you're implementing to address the trend of late ticket purchases while maintaining confidence in your projections?

Jim Moseley:

Wow, that's a great question actually, because I tell you in this market today and many on this call probably recognize it that it is definitely switched to a late market purchase and it of course obviously frightens us all because it's, you know, you're just running and burying it right up until the weekend of the production.

Jim Moseley:

So there's definitely been a shift in market behavior. What we're doing is, you know, we're doubling down on our marketing approach. We're trying new and different things that we haven't in the past, and that includes, you know, typically we wouldn't have discount offers once our media begins, and the media, you know, our media begins, you know it doesn't run the entire sales cycle, it runs towards the end, right before the production, and so we're thinking through tactics, like offers, that we never would have done in the past, and we feel like that's helping to move the needle. But we know we've got some more work to do on that because, frankly, we'll all sleep a little bit better at night when we know that folks are buying our tickets and not just at the last minute, right.

Damian Bazadona:

Do you have any personal hacks to manage the stress? I eat ice cream because I get stressed. How do you manage the last second? You're looking at these sales things Like do you have any personal hacks? This will be my last question, Then I'll say goodbye. Take a run around the block there you go All right. There, you go All right.

Jim Moseley:

Just sweat it out on my Peloton. There you go, you know, and then seek the comfort of others, including my colleagues. But again, you know, I really do have. I have such great faith in my promoters and on my team, and my colleagues for that matter, that you know I feel like Feld is in a really good place, it's in good hands. And so you about the stress, and it is. It can be very stressful, but at the same time knowing that I'm working along such fine people who are such professionals makes it a lot easier to sleep at night.

Damian Bazadona:

Well, I would say I've had the chance to work with you over the years and meet your team and collaborate with your team over the years. It is a top-notch group of people, a top-notch brand, which it's not a surprise of the success. Truly, I appreciate you coming through, jim, and doing this today, and thank you, maureen, for really collaborating with us and bringing all this together and all the amazing intake. We have an amazing audience. What a great turnout. And I just want to personally say thank you because I know you've taken a leap of faith with us on this. It really means a lot.

Maureen Andersen:

My honor. Thank you so much, and it was great to see so many ticketing pros in the room today.

Jim Moseley:

Thank you so much for having me yeah.

Peter Yagecic:

That's going to do it for this episode of Fandom Unpacked the podcast. If you liked what you heard, please be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Find out how to join us live for an upcoming recording at SituationLivecom slash fan. We'll see you next time, true believers.